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	<title>Comments on: Evolution is not compatible with God</title>
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		<title>By: Ted Burrett</title>
		<link>http://blog.figuringshitout.com/evolution-is-not-compatible-with-god/comment-page-1/#comment-3835</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Burrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This topic is quite trendy in the net at the moment. What do you pay   attention to while choosing what to write  ?</description>
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		<title>By: Marco</title>
		<link>http://blog.figuringshitout.com/evolution-is-not-compatible-with-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G&#039;day Hang...

I think it is true that a believe in a god that intervenes into the process of evolutino is more or less equivalent to just believing in creationism, it would just mean that god is doing it the long way rather than in one go.  

However, i think an interesting point is the differentiation between WHY and HOW questions. Science can strictly spoken by its nature never answer questions that start with WHY. For example, the laws of gravity do not explain why things fall, they just allow to predict on which trajectory they will fall. Why is there such thing as gravity and why does it act this way and not in another way remains a religious question - forever, definitely! 
The same applies to the mechanism of evolution - we can understand better and better how mutations arise etc, but that just means getting a handle on the laws of nature. You can alwys ask &quot;why are these laws this way and not different?&quot;. And the laws of nature that govern our universe plus the initial conditinos given at some early time (which by the way are also not accessible to science) more or less determine the outcome of evolution (maybe modulo some quantum uncertainty).

On top of that, there are far from being understood, e.g. the appearance of what one usually cals consciesness. A lot of moderate people claim that god only intervenes by giving his creatures &quot;ideas&quot;. Given the poor understannding of the connectino between mind and matter it seems currentlyimpossible to rule out such ideas.

Finally, if god is not to be understood in the framework of space and time, one could argue that he created the world as one fourdimensjional entity, even though that leads to big trouble with the concept of free will.

Interesting topic anyways....</description>
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<p>I think it is true that a believe in a god that intervenes into the process of evolutino is more or less equivalent to just believing in creationism, it would just mean that god is doing it the long way rather than in one go.  </p>
<p>However, i think an interesting point is the differentiation between WHY and HOW questions. Science can strictly spoken by its nature never answer questions that start with WHY. For example, the laws of gravity do not explain why things fall, they just allow to predict on which trajectory they will fall. Why is there such thing as gravity and why does it act this way and not in another way remains a religious question &#8211; forever, definitely!<br />
The same applies to the mechanism of evolution &#8211; we can understand better and better how mutations arise etc, but that just means getting a handle on the laws of nature. You can alwys ask &#8220;why are these laws this way and not different?&#8221;. And the laws of nature that govern our universe plus the initial conditinos given at some early time (which by the way are also not accessible to science) more or less determine the outcome of evolution (maybe modulo some quantum uncertainty).</p>
<p>On top of that, there are far from being understood, e.g. the appearance of what one usually cals consciesness. A lot of moderate people claim that god only intervenes by giving his creatures &#8220;ideas&#8221;. Given the poor understannding of the connectino between mind and matter it seems currentlyimpossible to rule out such ideas.</p>
<p>Finally, if god is not to be understood in the framework of space and time, one could argue that he created the world as one fourdimensjional entity, even though that leads to big trouble with the concept of free will.</p>
<p>Interesting topic anyways&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaki</title>
		<link>http://blog.figuringshitout.com/evolution-is-not-compatible-with-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff Hang. I thought about writing something on the whole issue of &quot;why&quot;, but I just never got around to it. I tend to think religion necessitates an explanation of &quot;why&quot;, even more than our natural curiosity. In other words, I think atheists that have never been religious aren&#039;t really concerned with the why&#039;s of things. Religion gives you a why, and for a lot of religious folks, for them to leave their religion, they have to have a secular &quot;why&quot; to replace their religious one. If they can&#039;t find a secular &quot;why&quot; they don&#039;t see the worth of non-belief. But if they hadn&#039;t been given this fake explanation of &quot;why&quot; from their religion, they wouldn&#039;t have this crutch in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff Hang. I thought about writing something on the whole issue of &#8220;why&#8221;, but I just never got around to it. I tend to think religion necessitates an explanation of &#8220;why&#8221;, even more than our natural curiosity. In other words, I think atheists that have never been religious aren&#8217;t really concerned with the why&#8217;s of things. Religion gives you a why, and for a lot of religious folks, for them to leave their religion, they have to have a secular &#8220;why&#8221; to replace their religious one. If they can&#8217;t find a secular &#8220;why&#8221; they don&#8217;t see the worth of non-belief. But if they hadn&#8217;t been given this fake explanation of &#8220;why&#8221; from their religion, they wouldn&#8217;t have this crutch in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Evolution is not compatible with God &#124; UW's Secular Student Union</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolution is not compatible with God &#124; UW's Secular Student Union</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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